Dating copper pots
Log in or Sign up. Antiques Board. I found this really heavy well used pot, 9" in diameter with a 10" handle. It has dovetails around the bottom and along the front as well as rivets on the handle.
Copper pots: old but functional cookware fall into oblivion
The Silver Salon Forums are open to anyone with an interest in silver and a willingness to share. Know little or nothing about silver? Don't worry! Anyone with a genuine desire to explore the subject of silver and related metal crafts is welcome. Email This Page to Someone! Nov posted This is the only metal forum I know of that might be of help. Using the "Search" engine did find another thread talking about copper with dovetail seams but no one ventured any info.
A description: I have found conflicting info online on this and a similar copper teakettle - one dates it c and another s. I emailed the dealer asking specific questions on size, why Dutch as country of origin, and why The dealer wrote back giving only the specific measurements and no info why called Dutch and a date. Another antique site had a copper teakettle with identical spout, dovetail seams, brass solder, round cover but a different round-shaped body.
Description given: Superbly hand hammered with hand-cut dovetailing and soldering. Fine honeycomb hand hammering texture on lid and body. Wonderful, rich patina. Ripple crease in handle from copper sheet rolling prior to cutting shape. Dovetailing joint cuts around base and side are irregular, large and widely spaced, characteristic of 's dovetail construction simple straight seams began to replace dovetail construction during the 's.
Dovetail side seam runs under and above spout. The seams are soldered with brass, the handle is riveted to body with copper rivets. Gooseneck spout has attractive hinged flap. Here are pics of my teakettle and of the seams on the bottom and side. Jun posted As far as I know this type of kettle is still being made in places where coppersmithing is still a living art.
The lap joint is used in copper smithing still and only as an excersise or special circumstance in silversmithing. Good luck. Aug posted There are large parts of the world - especially Africa and Asia - where pieces are still being made like this, for everyday use as well as tourist trade. And they do turn up in some of the large antiques shows, often by the dozens with no intent to defraud as old. This particular one does not look, stylistically, like the modern Asian and North African ones that I've seen.
The overall shape, spout shape, handle bracket, finial on the lid - all look fairly distinctive, and as a whole are probably diagnostic. But only to someone who really knows their copper pots. Not too helpful, I know, but at least we do confirm the difficulty Apr 93 posted X-ray Fluorescence spectrographic analysis has been discussed before in these threads: Metal analysis Rare vs Common??? Mar posted Copper is so soft and reactive that patina alone would be of minimal use.
Also, the relative skills, techniques, and amount of handwork that goes into copperware that is still being made in workshops today makes this measure of very limited use as well. The most certain way to know the date of production of something like this is to have some exceptionally strong provenance that traces it back in time and place, or to have it have been excavated from a dateable archeological site.
Unfortunately, very few objects like this that are not in museums have this kind of pedigree. In the end you may need to simply decide to enjoy your pot for its intrinsic artistic merits and not ever know if it is 20 years old and made in Asia or Africa or elsewere, or years old and made in Europe or America. At least I'm not in the minority as to dating this tea kettle - no idea!
I suspect it probably dates c My mother thought it might have passed down to my paternal aunt from her grandmother, my great-grandmother, but definitely no proof of that assumption at this time. Thanks you again for taking the time in giving your opinions. May posted My wife inherited a similar object. She asked me to research it. This is what I found. The widely spaced crude Dovetails are earlier than , after that date, they became tighter and smaller, by the joints were lapped www.
Yours appears to be earlier than ,judging by the Dovetails. The country of origin and maker is unknown to me. We were fortunate to have an English registry mark, so we can be sure of it's maker and date. Blessings, from a novice IP: In the upper midwest, there are numerous Scandavian copper objects. These were both brought by early immigrants, made here and later imports. Other ethnic groups also had their own copper traditions and items. My impression is that copper does not vary much from place to place.
And that knowing an origin does help pin it down. Yours is too small to be a laundry kettle. How much does it hold? Does it appear to have been used on a stove top? Or over an open flame? Does it sit level or is it prone to wobbling? Very old kettles were suspended from a hook over a fire, so that flatness on the bottom was not a major issue. Feb posted I ran your post by a friend who has made these observations.
Based on the pictures available I would identify this kettle as Near Eastern, probably Iranian, and made in the first half of the 20th century or perhaps just a bit earlier. The pot, squat and visually heavy, is somewhat reminiscent of the form of 18th century English pots, but it lacks the overall fineness of construction, especially in the cast pieces, a cast finial, and the neat, careful dovetail work common to that period and place.
The comparatively rough workmanship of both the sheet and the casting, the brazing, and especially the finial, fashioned of a simple strip bent into a ring, are all familiar earmarks of 20th century Iranian copper work. I'd be slow to call it a "fake" however, because there would have been numerous examples of period English pots available throughout the Near East, left over from the British colonial period, and probably widely copied in the copper- and brass-making cities of the region for use by both natives and tourists alike.
Hope this may be of some additional help. Jersey IP: Yours appears to be earlier than , judging by the Dovetails. Thank you, ajlewisbrooks, for this info!!! This appears to be similar info that one of the sellers of a tea kettle I found online had also. I went on over to the oldcopper. What part of the US was this found in? Dale, the kettle was of New England. My aunt was born in CT and later lived in RI.
Her grandmother - my great-grandmother - was born in Woodstock, VT, and later married and moved to CT. Darn, no mid-west Scandinavian connection to this kettle that I know of. As to this passing down from my great-grandmother to my aunt, was a supposition my mother purposed over 20 years ago. Of course my aunt could have picked it up in an antique shop back in the s or s. She had a houseful of antiques. The kettle holds 3 qts.
The sides do not appear to have been subjected to fire; however, there is some black on the bottom. The bottom is relatively flat but may be a bit bowed outwardly. Near Eastern, probably Iranian, and made in the first half of the 20th century or perhaps just a bit earlier. Jersey, very interesting! Thank you for taking the time of asking your friend. If this is from the 20th century shouldn't it have country of origin on it.
It was the law of the land from either the s or s - never can remember the dates for country and Made in I have gone over it with the proverbial fine tooth comb and find no marks, British registry numbers, or anything else. As to ".. No doubt many pieces were brought back to England from India and the far and near east by the Victorians during that empire's heyday which could date from s to , possibly before the time the country of origin edict was declared through out the land.
I took the cover off this morning in hopes someone left a note - no such luck - really had to work to get it off!
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Old Copper Pot, dovetailed, confused about age etc
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